indian outsourcing to americans :)

[08:53:18] [mcloy]hi
[08:53:32] [k1net1k]hi
[08:54:17] [k1net1k]its going to be hard for anyone to pluck a figure out if thin air
[08:54:25] [mcloy]people say that there no demand for another social network like facebook. niether with enhancement. well when the facebook what launched same senario was present at that time too. there were other networks too.
[08:54:33] [k1net1k]if you want jsut the site for example, and no marketing or anything else that makes facebook work
[08:54:48] [k1net1k]facebook will be lucky if it survives another 5 years
[08:54:50] [mcloy]what do you say about that. or can you recoment a better investment plan for me.
[08:55:00] [k1net1k]look at myspace, its costing them money
[08:55:16] [mcloy]K1NET1K i just want traffic. and then money
[08:55:36] [k1net1k]how do you plan to monetize a website ?
[08:56:04] [mcloy]monetize ? finance you mean?
[08:56:10] [k1net1k]no make money from a website
[08:56:17] [k1net1k]like ads, subscriptions etc ?
[08:56:23] [mcloy]well. a fact of advertising
[08:56:24] [mcloy]ya
[08:56:39] [mcloy]and fb is making billions. right?
[08:57:06] mcloy likes K1NET1K attitude
[08:57:12] [k1net1k]yes facebook is making billions, but im sure all of us php coders would jsut make something if we thought we had an idea like it
[08:57:51] [k1net1k]you eithe need a genuinely unique idea ahead of its time
[08:57:56] [k1net1k]which is hard to do
[08:58:00] [mcloy]thats the question. is there any other idea you would recomend.
[08:58:06] [k1net1k]or have critical mass and be an expert in marketing
[08:58:18] [k1net1k]if i had an ide i would be doing it :)
[08:58:28] [mcloy]hm:)
[08:58:41] [k1net1k]you said you are an investor
[08:58:50] [k1net1k]what do you currently have invested in
[08:59:00] [k1net1k]otehr companies, property, stocks ?
[08:59:02] [mcloy]i also had idea of online general store that delivers things at home and takes cash at point
[08:59:19] [mcloy]K1NET1K vehicles, property
[08:59:34] [k1net1k]and this would be your first venture into anything IT related ?
[08:59:50] [mcloy]yes. thats why i sould like a newbie
[08:59:53] [mcloy]:)
[09:00:00] [k1net1k]hmm
[09:00:08] [k1net1k]well people on irc wont take you seriously
[09:00:16] [k1net1k]because they have no reason to belieive you
[09:00:21] [mcloy]the general store would be of daily used items. bread eggs chips
[09:00:22] [k1net1k]and everyone wants to be a billionaire
[09:00:33] [k1net1k]so an online supermarket ?
[09:00:38] [mcloy]K1NET1K i know. thats why i like your attitude
[09:00:56] [mcloy]K1NET1K yes. online supermarket
[09:01:03] [mcloy]like it??
[09:01:09] [k1net1k]have you googled online supermarket in your area
[09:01:14] [k1net1k]all of the chain stores already do it
[09:01:21] [k1net1k]are you able to compete on price with them ?
[09:01:25] [mcloy]there is none.
[09:01:30] [k1net1k]really ?
[09:01:38] [k1net1k]what country/state are you from
[09:01:47] [k1net1k]if you said antartica i might believe you
[09:01:54] [mcloy]none in my area. i mean its not so open yet. people dont do it commonly
[09:02:02] [mcloy]pakistan/india
[09:02:25] [k1net1k]are you serious, there is no online store in pakistan/india that will deliver
[09:03:09] [mcloy]ya. only some restorants make home deliveries
[09:03:22] [k1net1k]what would be the biggest store/brand there
[09:03:31] [k1net1k]do you have a supermarket /grocer chain store
[09:03:46] [mcloy]hmm... local superstores.. no one brand
[09:03:53] [k1net1k]so all individually owned
[09:04:01] [k1net1k]and you are talking a billion people in india
[09:04:06] [mcloy]there are chain stores but no one came online
[09:04:10] [mcloy]yes
[09:04:11] [k1net1k]how many of them as a % have internbet access
[09:04:24] [mcloy]all.
[09:04:31] [mcloy]all stores
[09:04:36] [mcloy]but they dont go online
[09:04:39] [k1net1k]ok so potentially everyone could use your store
[09:05:00] [mcloy]once i will lauch. they will lauch it too. and they are much more financially stronger than me
[09:05:20] [mcloy]K1NET1K yes. if i advertise and manage well
[09:05:24] [k1net1k]so how would you keep customers, what would distinguish you from them
[09:05:36] [k1net1k]service, friendly smile, family business etc ?
[09:05:42] [k1net1k]because on a website that inst there
[09:05:50] [k1net1k]you are just a price in a column
[09:06:17] [mcloy]for starters. theres not online shopping and home delivery concept in my area. 2nd ill start from daily use items and expand.
[09:06:25] [k1net1k]ok
[09:06:33] [mcloy]ofcorse you can order by web, phone or sms
[09:06:44] [k1net1k]so why not just use an existing store setup like ozcommerce or somethin
[09:06:50] [k1net1k]and just add a few products
[09:07:10] [k1net1k]hire a graphic designer to customize it to look nice
[09:07:22] [mcloy]ozcommerce. whats that
[09:07:22] [k1net1k]and hire someone good at marketing to get people to your site
[09:07:35] [mcloy]ya.. thats what iam thinking
[09:07:36] [k1net1k]its just one of many e-commerce store packages
[09:07:39] [mcloy]make a website
[09:07:46] [k1net1k]you almost dont even need a developer
[09:07:58] [mcloy]is it a software ?
[09:08:02] [k1net1k]yes
[09:08:12] [mcloy]K1NET1K a web software..
[09:08:24] [k1net1k]you log in, add profuct decripytion, picture and price etc
[09:08:31] [mcloy]ya
[09:08:32] [k1net1k]and stock level
[09:08:43] [mcloy]thats what ozcommerce do?
[09:08:53] [k1net1k]yes its just the first one that came to mind
[09:09:05] [k1net1k]there are many many ecommerce shopping cart websites
[09:09:14] [k1net1k]and you setup a merchant bank account to take payments
[09:09:51] [mcloy]K1NET1K i would have to intergrate a server with website, (a person doing entries by reciving orders by sms and phone) with stock levels. prices . product codes. etc
[09:10:19] [mcloy]K1NET1K carsh one delivery ....
[09:10:23] [mcloy]on*
[09:10:30] [mcloy]cash
[09:10:32] [k1net1k]well if they buy online it would already be paid for
[09:10:45] [k1net1k]or if you want to do COD you need to decide how you will do that
[09:10:54] [k1net1k]you will need to partner with a courier company
[09:11:32] [mcloy]K1NET1K concept for buying eggs and bread by c card is not wide at my country. but it comes to major items like laptops. electronice. ill go to that stage later
[09:11:54] [k1net1k]well this same software is also used by pizzashops etc
[09:12:02] [k1net1k]you can use it for as little or as much as you want
[09:12:12] [k1net1k]some will have features better than others
[09:12:23] [mcloy]hm
[09:13:08] [k1net1k]i would suggest you find a local website developer with experience in e-commerce and shopping cart
[09:13:10] [mcloy]any name for the website. ?
[09:13:20] [k1net1k]and ask them to provide you with better information
[09:13:26] [mcloy]hm
[09:13:31] [k1net1k]http://www.oscommerce.com/
[09:13:44] [k1net1k]thats one of the most widely used ones in the world i believe
[09:14:07] [mcloy]but once i will lauch. other investers will lauch it too. and they are much more financially stronger than me
[09:14:22] [k1net1k]how would you deal with that if it wasnt online
[09:14:36] [mcloy]and iam afraid i cant copyright that business.
[09:14:38] [k1net1k]if you are an investor you would be familiar with this problem
[09:14:49] [k1net1k]a website is no different
[09:14:56] [k1net1k]just that your salesperson is a webpage
[09:15:06] [k1net1k]instead of a person who you pay a salary
[09:15:17] [mcloy]as an inverster i know one thing. first commer if comes with strength and manages. always leads
[09:15:36] [k1net1k]so why do you think no one has done this before
[09:15:50] [k1net1k]its surely not from lack of technical expertise
[09:15:58] [mcloy]i or my friends never heard of an online store yet
[09:16:08] [k1net1k]you have some of the best programmers and available in the world
[09:16:10] [mcloy]ok
[09:16:18] [mcloy]hm
[09:16:26] [k1net1k]so its the concept that people are not used to yet
[09:16:56] [mcloy]ya
[09:17:27] [mcloy]so theres no need for a second facebook
[09:17:52] [k1net1k]well it could work, but you would have to somehow convince people to either leave facebook
[09:18:01] [k1net1k]or make your different somehow
[09:18:10] [mcloy]hm.
[09:18:47] [mcloy]another idea i have that to make voice and video conversations (my country dont use it yet) on mobiles phoones.
[09:19:08] [k1net1k]that requires huge infrastructure
[09:19:23] [mcloy]now the mobile phone would open my website. (second facebook) and load and connect people
[09:19:44] [k1net1k]oh so its just a mobile sized website
[09:19:58] [k1net1k]but people can already do this on facebook
[09:20:05] [mcloy]just flash one mobiles for example and then the two computers/mobiles will interact direclty to each other
[09:20:07] [k1net1k]again, you need to differentiate
[09:20:29] [mcloy]K1NET1K does facebook offer voice and video chating?
[09:20:30] [k1net1k]a lot of people use skype for this purpose
[09:20:36] [k1net1k]no facebook doesnt
[09:20:55] [mcloy]ya. thats what i was saying. skype and google talk already are doing it
[09:21:49] [mcloy]and the idea that facebook searches people near to your location and in your school. thats what i had in mind. but any how. its taken
[09:22:07] [k1net1k]hmm i dont think i can help you with any of these ideas
[09:22:15] [k1net1k]but i hope i have helped you understand some of it
[09:22:16] [mcloy]ya.
[09:22:23] [mcloy]alot
[09:22:25] [mcloy]:)
[09:22:42] [k1net1k]you really would be better at sitting down wit ha local company and seeing if any of these ideas are feasible
[09:23:09] [mcloy]did you saw movies social network?
[09:23:12] [k1net1k]yea
[09:23:20] [mcloy]if you give your idea. you loose your idea
[09:23:38] [k1net1k]i dont think there is anything you could tell them that they dont already know about
[09:23:39] [mcloy]you must have learned it
[09:23:54] [k1net1k]any company in IT already knows of all of these possibilities
[09:24:05] [mcloy]K1NET1K thats the biggest mistake thinking that others already know your idea
[09:24:07] [k1net1k]its the marketing and capital funding that they need
[09:24:24] [mcloy]its not i.t or techs. its ideas
[09:24:25] [k1net1k]maybe in india or pakistan this is new
[09:24:44] [k1net1k]but consider that the US outsources most of its work for this sort of thing to india
[09:24:50] [mcloy]like you may have the online store idea coz its not rare in your country. but its rare here
[09:24:51] [k1net1k]means that the people there know about it
[09:25:05] [k1net1k]they jsut cant afford to set up the infrastructure to actually do it
[09:25:25] [mcloy]hm
[09:25:42] [k1net1k]go the other way about it then
[09:25:49] [k1net1k]go to a it website company
[09:25:56] [k1net1k]and offer to pay for 5 hours of their time
[09:25:59] [mcloy]K1NET1K btw, were you saying that with oscommerce i can make a web by myself.?
[09:26:06] [k1net1k]and ask them what are the newest ideas for online business
[09:26:19] [k1net1k]i bet they tell you all the things you have just told me
[09:26:40] [k1net1k]you will need some expereince to setup a shopping cart, but certainly not a big team
[09:26:52] [k1net1k]maybe a graphic designer and one php programmer to customise it slightly
[09:27:00] [k1net1k]marketing and transport is going to be the hard part
[09:27:31] [mcloy]leave marketing and transport to me.
[09:27:38] [k1net1k]:)
[09:27:42] [k1net1k]ok good luck
[09:27:47] [k1net1k]i have to get back to work now thoguh
[09:27:57] [mcloy]K1NET1K can you name some good cart websites
[09:28:03] [mcloy]like oscommerce
[09:28:25] [mcloy]K1NET1K sure. thanks. it was very nice talking to you.
[09:28:29] [mcloy]K1NET1K can you name some good cart websites
[09:28:31] [mcloy]like oscommerce
[09:28:49] [k1net1k]um
[09:29:08] [k1net1k]http://www.ezimerchant.com/ is also good
[09:29:29] [mcloy]or keywords to search in google. actually i dont know what i want
[09:29:32] [mcloy]new it computers
[09:29:36] [mcloy]in*
[09:29:39] [k1net1k]most of the ones i know are local to australia
[09:29:53] [k1net1k]just google shopping cart ecommerce solutions
[09:30:02] [mcloy]ok
[09:30:09] [k1net1k]and you need one with a payment gateway etc
[09:30:13] [mcloy]most are opensource and free i guess..
[09:30:18] [k1net1k]and a merchant bank accoutn with your bank
[09:30:29] [mcloy]k
[09:30:30] [k1net1k]some are charged per transaction
[09:30:33] [k1net1k]some are monthly cost
[09:30:37] [k1net1k]some are open source
[09:30:48] [k1net1k]but you will need to pay for the website to be hosted somewhere
[09:30:52] [k1net1k]and a domain name
[09:31:02] [mcloy]hm
[09:31:14] [k1net1k]for those last 2 things
[09:31:24] [k1net1k]you need to tlak to an internet service provider
[09:31:35] [k1net1k]and ask them how much for a somain name, and how much to host it per year
[09:31:42] [mcloy]K1NET1K can you suggest an international type name for the web. onlineshopping.com or eshop.com etc
[09:32:03] [mcloy]K1NET1K i have done hosting before
[09:32:04] [k1net1k]indiasupermaket.com
[09:32:09] [k1net1k]i dont know :)
[09:32:16] [mcloy]hm..
[09:32:18] [k1net1k]most of the good names are taken
[09:32:21] [mcloy]supermarket or superstore?
[09:32:37] [k1net1k]whatever translates best to your customer
[09:32:43] [mcloy]k
[09:32:47] [mcloy]thanks
[09:32:47] [k1net1k]again thats a marketing thing
[09:32:53] [mcloy]ya..